Thursday, April 17, 2008

As you can see, the main focus of my ire is the 'mass market.' I'm not unhappy with newcomers except insofar as they were enablers of this process of blanding of Bend. A Trader Joes to me is nothing more than a fancier McDonalds. It's same Trader Joes anywhere you go, and has nothing to do with the uniqueness of Bend.

So we have more big stores full of cheap merchandise that we don't really need. Big stores that look exactly the same no matter where you go. Pull a curtain around them, and you wouldn't know where you are.

I'm sad that downtown Bend has turned into a quaint, touristy, high priced 'village by the river' which most native Bendites won't go near unless they have to. It wasn't so long ago that we had functioning department stores, drug stores, stationary stores, and hardware stores.

To me, the mass market homogenizes and brings Bend down to every other town; Walmart is ugly. Big Box stores are ugly and bland and uninspired.

Pay no attention; I'm a disgruntled local.

15 comments:

RDC said...

Duncan,

Do you turn customers away and refuse to sell to them if they are part of the recent inflow of residents to Bend? Do you quiz someone and tell them that they cannot be your customer if they support the big box stores, if they contribute to the "blandness" of Bend?

If not then aren't you accepting such people where it benefits you, while at the same time you are criticizing some of the outcomes of their other choices.

Seems there is a term for that.

Duncan McGeary said...

I tried answering, rdc, but I guess I really don't understand what you're saying.

So either your point is so right on that I've psychologically occluded it, or....it doesn't follow.

I personally have never bought at Target or Walmart, if that's what you mean.

I'm not against growth per se. But it's too bad so much of the local dollar goes to the big box instead of the local business people. ( who will turn around and spend it locally.)

RDC said...

Duncan,

My point is that you rant (which might be too strong of a word, but it is the only one that comes to mind) about the people that have moved to Bend and that the Big Box stores have followed them. Yet you also benefit. Some of them visit your store. Others spend money that find its way into the pockets of the people that shop in your store.

I don't see you posting any signs that dollars from California transplants are not welcome in your store.

Duncan McGeary said...

Hopefully comments make it more of a discussion and less than a rant.

So you're saying that I can't have growth with the big box?

It may be unrealistic, but I don't think it's illogical.

Are there no places in the U.S. Bend's size that have gone with the big boxes?

Aren't Walmart's pretty much unwelcome in places like N.Y.?

There was a point in about 1991 when we only had about 20k pop. but almost no box stores. That may have been best for the local economy in some ways.

Now we have 4 or 5 times the population, but a much, much bigger big box presence.

I've said, if you noticed, that I'm not against growth per se.

Duncan McGeary said...

Forget N.Y. Bad example.

I was in Corvallis last year, and it seemed to be relatively absent of big boxes.

Anyone know how that happened and how it's worked out?

Anonymous said...

Corvallis has a population of 50,000 people, but the only true big box stores we have are a Home Depot put in last year.

Otherwise, there's a Kmart, Fred Meyer, and two BiMarts, but not much else.

Compared to most towns its size, Corvallis is very 'under-retailed'. Nearby Albany has taken advantage of this and tried to become a shopping destination. However, I find that town to be depressing, except for the cool older downtown.

Corvallis has a long tradition of people vehemently opposed to growth. Two years ago I myself thought we were foolish -- but now I'm glad we didn't jump on the bandwagon. I think it's good there's a core group of environmentally conscious ex-hippy types to radically slow down growth.

And I like our downtown. Not as glitzy and vibrant as Bend's, but at least it's mostly stuff that the average person can afford.

Duncan McGeary said...

"....Can't have growth withOUT the big box...."

I meant to say.

Duncan McGeary said...

I doubt the quality of life has suffered in Corvallis without the big box stores.

I thought the downtown was intriguing.

Duncan McGeary said...

How many people does the university add? For a store like mine, that would be a real plus.

And it goes both ways -- Albany and outlying towns are a short distance from Corvallis.

All in all, it seems to me like a healthier, if more modest situation.

Anonymous said...

Actually, the official population of Corvallis is 54,000, closer to 60,000 if you add in nearby Philomath.

We have about 20,000 college students, and I don't think they're included in the above numbers.

The college students don't actually shop here though . . . so last week some downtown boutiques had an English double-decker bus drive to the sororities and pick up the girls and take them shopping (only 2 miles away!).

Our downtown if fortunate to have a vibrant farmer's market there every Saturday morning starting about this time of year.

As far as I know, we only have 1 dedicated comic book shop for all the students, but there seems to be plenty of small independent bookstores.

There is 1 Borders bookstore, I should add.

If you ever want to come visit, I can show you around.

jeff said...

who cares if it has nothing to do about the localness of Bend? Are we so insulated that we can't accept something that's worked elsewhere, that has just the right product selection at pretty low prices? I maintain that Trader Joes is the upscale version of the Wal Mart Supercenter. We opposed the Wal Mart at north Bend, but embraced the Trader Joes. There wasn't much if any opposition to TJ, but I'm sure a sizable segment of the population would have (or will?) embraced the Wal-Mart at the north end of town.

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Anonymous said...

All of a sudden there are now 2 jeff's that post here. That's going to be confusing if you're not one of us (by the way, I agree with the other jeff's comment about Trader Joes).

Maybe I'll have to change my handle.

Carl said...

I got one of my degrees from OSU and go back to "Corn Valley" about once per month for consulting business.

As a whole I find Corvallis caught in a time warp and pretty boring. It is 90% the same as in 1975 and for me I find it bland.

Why pillory the big boxes? People vote with their dollars and if they don't support them, they wouldn't be here.

Anonymous said...

Carl, just because I shop at WalMart (well, the one in Lebanon), this doesn't mean that this is the optimal set of circumstances.

As I've mentioned before on Duncan's blog, this is well covered in a little book called "No One Makes You Shop at Wal-Mart" by Tom Slee. He debunks the idea that because we live in a marketplace of free choices, we end up getting basically what we want -- our dollars are not quite like "votes" for the society we wish to live in, because we never get to 'vote' on the full array of possibilities.

One example in Slee's book (imperfectly summarized here) goes like this: Imagine you get some utility from having a vibrant downtown of independent shops. Then a Wal-Mart opens up on the outskirts of town. You begin shopping at the Wal-Mart because the prices are cheaper and you can still walk through the vibrant downtown when you like. But with everyone buying things at Wal-Mart, the downtown stores can no longer afford to stay open and the center of your city turns into an empty husk. You'd prefer to have the vibrant downtown to the Wal-Mart, but nobody ever gave you that choice .... There's much more to his arguments than this, but you'll need to read the book yourself.

By the way -- Corvallis in some ways is indeed like 1975 -- but for some of us 1975 was not a bad year! When I first moved here my wife and I wanted MORE shopping, and MORE big time events. Now, however, I'm glad that it's a small place -- and am glad to hear that population growth is projected to be extremely low.

There's plenty to do if you're into university-type stuff. And it's hard to be the nature right outside my door.