Sunday, September 2, 2007

It's hard to keep your eyes on the target sometime, when things happen slowly. I get the feeling that people are beginning to believe the housing bust isn't going to be that bad, or isn't going to affect most people, because nothing spectacular has happened, or because it hasn't affected them personally. But, we've just started, especially here in Bend. Just because you can't see it moving, doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Even Paul-doh seems to think housing prices, on the left side of the curve, are getting within shouting distance of what they ought to be worth. But give it time and they'll be way below what he thinks they ought to be worth. The bust won't stop at reasonable, it will drop to a steal. But the psychology will have changed by then, too, and no one will want to buy. Fewer will have any money or credit to buy. Bend won't look like the mecca to out of towners anymore.

Geez...I've always counted on Paul-doh being more alarmist than me -- I wonder if he's going soft on me. Huh, Paul? Tired of being negative?

msnbc.com has an article called "The New Money Pit" which simplifies it down to basics.

From 1989 - 1996 houses dropped 20% in "real" terms. That's a seven year process.

40% of the jobs created in the U.S between 2001 and 2005 are in the housing industry nationwide. I shudder to think what % that is in Bend.

There are 370 billion in Arm's resetting this year, 50 billion in October alone.

To buy a house -- any house -- you need a credit score of 700 and a downpayment of 15 to 20%, and that's if you buy a house below the jumbo limit of 417k. As one real estate agent is quoted, there are one third as many eligible buyers with five times more houses. Again, Bend is probably much, much worse.

This is going to affect every aspect of the economy, and especially in Bend.

In Bend, I think we'll have a double whammy, because we've apparently convinced ourselves that commercial building will bail us out. Downtown has two major buildings coming on the market soon, added to the unfilled Franklin Crossing, and Parking Garage, and more turnover in the rest of downtown than most people seem to be noticing.

The Bulletin once again printed an article that on the face of it is positive, but if you read between the lines is pretty alarming. It's a little too soon to saying that the "Region Weathering Credit Jitters" isn't it? And isn't all the evidence in so far, pretty much the opposite?

To say that only the mortgage shops are suffering is pretty silly because they are ground zero, the shock waves are going to hit the next ring out, then the next, then the next. Jumping from the once sturdy branch of housing to the next branch of commercial isn't going to keep that branch from breaking too. That 24% drop in lending is going to ripple out to everyone else, and then boomerang right back to the mortgage, which will ripple out.....and so on.

The most revealing fact in the Bulletin article to me was that project's like the Mercato in the Old Mill need a pre-leasing agreements on 20 to 50% of the building space, along with 25% of owner equity. I'm betting that most of these major projects have been leveraged to the hilt. 25% of equity, based on land that is only worth something IF you build on it, seems to be pretty shakey.It would require a bit of wink, wink, nudge, nudge, on the part of the lenders, and I don't think they're in the mood. And pre-leasing 50% of some of the types of locations before a single piece of earth has been turned, seems ludicrous. Why would anyone agree to that?

So, a prediction that the Mercato will never be built. I stand by my prediction that you will be able to get a very nice house in 2 years at about one third lower than now; and that many sub-divisions will be unfinished, and that there will be a huge amount of turnover in downtown Bend and the Old Mill, resulting in a few more years with long-term vacancies.

P.S. If I seem awfully negative, it's because I have a rule of thumb with bubbles which has never been wrong, whether it was sports cards, comics, pokemon, magic, pogs, beanie babies or whatever. However bad you think it will be, it will be much much worse.

4 comments:

Duncan McGeary said...

Bendbust, you need to re-enter your comment. Sorry. You double posted, and I tried to reject one and accept the other, and neither showed.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Geez...I've always counted on Paul-doh being more alarmist than me -- I wonder if he's going soft on me. Huh, Paul? Tired of being negative?

NEVER! I just think that for people with LONG time horizons, it might start making some sense to buy. I mean, if you're either going to rent for $1,000/mo for 7-8 years, or buy a ramshackle crap shack in Redmond AND LOSE 20% FOR SURE, it's actually starting to come close to a breakeven proposition.

For me personally, buying still makes ZERO sense. But for some long timers in the lower end, it MIGHT make sense to buy now, instead of rent. It may also make sense if losing $1MM makes absolutely no difference to you. If you're so insanely rich & renting is just "dumb", then there ~might~ be a bargaining situation where you can come within a country mile of normalcy.

I STILL think this place is going down the tubes, big time. The bell curve is still 2-3 std dev's above the mean, and wildly overpriced. But the bell curve is flattening: Not every seller is a contented, discretionary trillionaire, as was asserted last Fall. People are starting to get desperate. There are already reductions in the 30-40% range. Hell, that's the total damage I thought this thing would take out of the Bend market. Not many, but there are some signs of real terror out there.

I think the Jumbo-Gone-Bye-Bye is Bends new Biggest Problem. Our market was going to be pretty bad without kissing the Jumbo market goodbye. It will be a conflagration without Jumbo's. We're dead. Medians will come right down in Sept when NO ONE can get a jumbo loan. And Bend ain't nothin' but Jumbos.

The Bulletin once again printed an article that on the face of it is positive, but if you read between the lines is pretty alarming. It's a little too soon to saying that the "Region Weathering Credit Jitters" isn't it? And isn't all the evidence in so far, pretty much the opposite?

No kidding! This thing read like Armageddon! "Weathering Jitters"? What I liked was Lafky saying that these new lending requirements will vet his Mercato business plan, and he's "glad" about it. Uhhh, right. They're roadblocks pure & simple, and he ain't glad about it. They are almost certainly deal breakers, like you said. Lafky & others like him are doomed. The Big Leveraged RE Project in Bend is a dead business model, probably not to recur for a generation. What I'm waiting for is the Redmond Waterpark announcement...

Duncan McGeary said...

Yeah, I've always considered actually selling my product as a real 'test' of my business model....

The jumbo loan problem will be solved by any house within reach of 417k dropping below 417k, don't you think? leaving the true luxury homes that just can't get there for the rich.

I understand why you thinking buying makes sense -- but why not wait until late winter, say around February? The market should have softened even more by then.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

leaving the true luxury homes that just can't get there for the rich.

There are TONS of $699K +/- $150K homes around here, for whom a drop to $417K is just death for the owner. I'm not sure a lot of people will drop to $416.9K as their absolution. They'll walk instead.

There are 2,101 homes priced over $417K in Cent OR according to BendBB's data set (5,172 total). 1,546 over $500K. 1,110 over $600K. At those prices, you're starting to get to homes where abandonment is better option than walking to a close with a check for $100K+. Hell, for many the $100K option is not doable.

why not wait until late winter, say around February?

Heck, if you're going to wait, might as well wait till Fall 2008! Man, now I'm starting to worry if my Perma-Bear RE license will be revoked! Again, I think buying here is a Bad Idea. If monetary considerations are your only metric, it's a Terrible Idea. But if you are a low-end buyer, with great credit, lots of money for a downpayment, and a strong aversion to moving (maybe you have kids & the school thing is paramount), then there may exist a RARE situation where buying today makes sense. It ain't Gain Maximizing here. It's Loss Minimizing. And if moving costs (psychic & otherwise) dictate that you will either rent for 7-8 years, or straight buy today, if ~MAY~ make sense to buy. Maybe.

Prices of the far left tail are WITHIN EYESHOT of normalcy, you will need to push them another 20% down MINIMUM to actually be within the realm of normalcy. My first home in Cent OR, I bid 20% below an ask that had been reduced several times... and I got it. And I made good money selling. You have to crush the sellers expectations, and totally forget about selling in the next decade for buying to make sense in this town.