Tuesday, July 10, 2007

Reading the tea leaves....

Downtown has been strangely slow. If I look out my windows and see empty parking spaces anymore, I'm surprised. Even in the winter, I was seeing that very seldom. Over the last week or so, it seems like there are always a couple of empty spots. By that measure, we're slow.

Can't quite get a gauge on it, yet. Too early to tell. Outside tables are empty at the restuarants, which makes sense, but the insides don't look very busy either.

The foot traffic seems strangely subdued.

If it wasn't for the fact that Linda's store has been kicking ass, I'd think it was the hot weather. Maybe it is -- she has a drive up location, I have a get out of the car and trudge a few blocks location.

Like I said, tea leaves.

Meanwhile, I had my first customer mention that he lost his job because his employer, a concrete guy, has gone bankrupt. It's hearsay, so I won't mention the name of the company.

Another customer/friend mentioned that his 'main' guy, who had been through the 1980's recession wasn't taking on anymore residential work; and that the other contractor he was working for had decided not to build the next 3 townhouses in a development until the first three had sold.

He also said, a sub-contractor friend of his was selling his van because his hours had been cut from 60 hours a week to 40 hours a week. This also confirms what I thought was probably going on -- that we aren't hearing about many layoffs despite half as many houses being started, because people had been working overtime. But it also confirms my feeling that people spend at the overtime levels....

These kinds of snippets of information usually don't start appearing until well into the cycle. So, I suspect, there is a lot going on, but we won't start hearing about it for a few more months. So far, we're getting a grudging admission that not all is rosy....

7 comments:

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Good post.

I think it'll start slow, too. Some guy sells his van cuz he lost 20/hrs a week of time & a half. Story on MSN:

The repo man is getting busy

Excerpts:

Repossession agents in areas hit by foreclosures say they've been picking up vehicles both from people struggling to keep their homes and from those now left without work: construction workers, pavers, landscapers and real-estate agents.

"It is actually stunning the number of cars we're taking from people who are supporting the local real-estate market," said J. Patrick Altes, the president of Falcon International, a recovery agency with offices throughout Florida. "It's almost the type of thing where we see it and you wonder if anyone else sees it. . . . It's like they turned off the spigot."


I think that's what's starting to happen here: Asset liquidation. Starts small; garage sales, then SUV sales, then the wedding rings, finally the house.

This is a $199K Median Economy, with $350K medians. Can't last.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

the other contractor he was working for had decided not to build the next 3 townhouses in a development until the first three had sold.

Well, the real story is the bank won't loan another dime until the first 3 are sold. "decided not to build"... that's a good one.

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

a concrete guy, has gone bankrupt....

a sub-contractor friend of his was selling his van


This is what is totally amazing: Real estate has simply "normalized", just gone to normal levels. And people are going broke.

I've heard this "normalizing" argument, mainly from Realtors, like it's A Good Thing. "Thank God the market is returning to normal." Ummmm, right. I don't know how Pegasus would do if business "normalized" at half it's current rate, but I'll guess -- not so good. I'll bet 80-90% of all businesses would go under if business was cut in half one day.

A lot of people don't seem to understand that if an industry is cut in half, there probably won't be a 50% survivorship rate. It'll be closer to 10-20%. Business doesn't just evacuate in a serial fashion from one shop & then move to the next wiping it out, and so on. Everyone loses half their business, and 80% close their doors. Those that survive actually have one hell of great time!

Maybe a story you can relate to...

IHateToBurstYourBubble said...

Brooks Resources backs out of a project to build million dollar townhouses on riverfront project. This is the first really clear sign I've seen that some developers are having second thoughts. That it is Brooks Resources, a local group with long ties to the community and presumably closer in touch with Bend's economic realities, makes it even more significant. (As is pawning it off on a Portland developer....)

Ahhh, I wondered who that was. What was the name of the development?

You know, I have far more respect for an outfit that simply lays it down straight. "Markets gone to hell, so we quit", is so much more authentic than, "We've decided to go back to the drawing board, and revamp our plans, because the bank has decided to quadruple the funding on the project, and we think that the City will allow 2,000,000 ft tall structures next year, so we're going to wait, and see if we can get a waiver for building an elevator shaft to a satellite in low Earth orbit where we will build even bigger & better condos cuz the market is SO STRONG we can barely keep up with current demand on Earth...".

Cheers to Brooks Resources for having enough respect for our intelligence to just say it flat out.

Duncan McGeary said...

About the concrete guy. He blamed it on being underbid for jobs below profitability. This is an aspect that no ones talking about yet: the desperate bidding for jobs just to keep your company alive. Downward spiral.

Anonymous said...

He blamed it on being underbid for jobs below profitability. This is an aspect that no ones talking about yet: the desperate bidding for jobs just to keep your company alive. Downward spiral.


I have written about this for months, in my hood my neighbors have been watching their construction income fall like a rock. 2005 HOT $45/hr, 2006 cool $25/hr, 2007 cold $15/hr.

Some time between xmas and now the latinos started demanding $10/hr from their previous $7/hr. There is now a squeeze between the gringo near $15/hr, and the latino near $10/hr.

What is going to start happening is to compete the white guys are going to start having to work like Mexicans, and then of course they'll have to start living like Mexicans, by that I mean a dozen in the back of the shop.

Another factor barely mentioned is the non-compete agreement, to get any work you must sign, and then when they lay you off, you must leave town. The the white is being driven from town, one of my neighbors must now drive to Redmond for remodel work.

Like it's always been here, I think it will be a like Arizona a "right to work state", where everyone gets less than $10/hr, no matter what they do.

That said in a way our $45/hr @ nwxc in 2005 is a lot like the kids getting $100/hr for web development back in 1999, these things were all flukes.

In the day, as long as I can remember everyone in Bend had two jobs for $7/hr. We're going back to that model quick.

Going out for lunch or dinner? May I suggest Super-Burrito, afterward be sure to visit Duncans store.

H. Bruce Miller said...

"What was the name of the [Brooks Resources] development?"

"Miller's Crossing." The Portland outfit that bought it says that instead of high-end townhomes they want to build apartments designed to be weekend getaways for Portlanders. Will be interesting to see if much of a market for that exists.