As you know, I've thought there was a housing bubble. I believe the commercial bubble is even worse, and it will erode over the next year or two.
What I haven't talked about much, are destination resorts.
But, come on, how many of these suckers do we need?
Two of the first destination type resorts that opened in Central Oregon were The Inn of the Seventh Mountain, and Sunriver. What have we got after decades of use? By all accounts, the Inn is falling apart. How does that happen? It happens by extracting money from the place without reinvesting. Going for the short term gain. But it also means that the place wasn't so lucrative that it could both extract money AND reinvest at the same time.
Sunriver? Same thing, when it comes to their Mall. Let me tell you, it's much more difficult to try to revive something that is run down than it is to keep it from being run down in the first place.
Or take the situation up on Awbrey, one of our first 'gated' communities. Ultimately, the entire imbroglio was due that the 'owners' not being able to extract enough money to satisfy them. So they sold to a developer who leveraged a new resort out the situation instead of fixing the one he bought, who sold to another developer who tried to completely reinvent the place.
The money, obviously, is in the building of the place. After that, apparently, the developers could give a damn.
So what does that portend for all these new destination resorts? That they'll be milked for a couple of decades, and left as dried husks? Bait and switch? Left to the actual residents to try to restore some life and vitality?
I certainly don't see them as a panacea to all our problems. They seem to all contain dry rot at their core. Golf courses are notoriously difficult to maintain at a profit. (Ask the city of Prineville.) And yet no one questions that golfing tourism is one of the main selling points of these new resorts? Don't we learn anything? Or do we just have short memories?
Friday, January 4, 2008
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The courts in Bend ruled that 'golf courses' existed for no other reason than to sell real estate. That decision was made at the Deschutes County courthouse back in 1998. In one of the first Broken-Top lawsuits.
The 'resorts' is just a gimmick to allow Beaverton style tracts in the Wilderness. It's been succesful, as long as you have a percentage as rental, in the hotel sense, then you can sell the other NN% to rich folks as a MTN hideaway.
You missed Eagle-Crest, it was run down years ago, and then there is black-butte ranch, and the dozens of mini-me 'resorts' in Metolius.
Then there are the big one,
Then there are our 24 golf courses, with another dozen coming online, see EDCO website.
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The real story about Home/Condo ownership in these 'resorts' is the INNof7 story, this is how they all end. Note, that 2 or 3 guys control +99% of ALL these resorts in Central Oregon. So, they're all using the same lawyers, the same games, and the same CPA ( cascade-bookkeeping ).
Things will fall apart, in a generation amnesia will set in, and things will repeat. In the meantime the Source & Bulletin will beat the DRUM of "Who could have seen it coming".
p.s. the sleaze of Sunriver shopping, I have never seen so much rotten produce anywhere. I concur nothing can fix the Sunriver Mall, except a D-10 Caterpillar ( biggest bulldozer ).
Certainly the big money is in the development. The long term question is the nature of the ownership after the development is done. The reality is that the owners have to be willing to pay for the cost of upkeep of the facilities. In the case of a location like Inn of the 7th it is mostly owned by folks with either partial ownership or for occasional vacation use with the facility operating mostly like a hotel. Consequently the owners don't want to pay for the upkeep necessary. Now a few years ago you had one bedroom condo's there going for 20k because the future was uncertain, including the repairs. Over the past few years with the investment in updating some of the facilities they have risen to around 150k plus for those same units. Well now the delayed maintenance is coming home to roost. The issue is not so much how much needs to be done, but how is it going to be spread around. If the new board wins it will be spread out more fairly, but probably will be cut back so much that the problem of maintenance just continues. If the current board wins they will probably do more of what is really needed, but will try to unfairly distribute the expense.
It is really not much different then you delaying maintenance on your house for 20 years and then wondering why the bill is so much when you try and correct it. THe difference is a home owners is usually more willing to pay the bills on their primary residence than on a vacation property that is more like a hotel.
Everyone I know that owns a condo at INNof7th, treats its as their second home, and have completely re-modeled the inside.
The fixing up the outside ( walls & roof ) has been delayed because Pape didn't want to fix it, they wanted to get all the condo's for free. First they tried increasing the HOA's 20X to drive everyone out, now they have put a lien on all the units of $120k to drive people out. So they can get the units for FREE.
What Pape is trying to do is extract $20M from the owners to re-coup their investment in the ice rink, and pool. They have no intention of fixing up the condos.
Long ago when Pape raised ( 2-3 years ago ) the HOA from $50/mo to $1k/mo they then promised that money would be used as a reserve to fix the outside walls and roof. Pape never did it then, now Pape says give us $120k for each condo, and we'll fix your walls & side.
Fuck me once, my mistake, fuck me twice, I don't think so. The issue here is that Pape has lost ALL credibility.
What the owners are trying to do is control so they can fix the roof & walls themselves, as it has been Pape that has held the needed work up.
Lastly, in regards to Rdc's premise that people don't give a shit about their second homes, all I can say is that this proves that Rdc doesn't even own a first home. I know of know one that doesn't care of their INNof7th condo. I don't know anyone that owns a time-share, I assume that those people might treat them as hotels, but note even those people were billed $15k for 1/6 share.
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The real issue here is the same issue as Broken-Top, and that is this bullshit where the developer sells the HOA as a franchise to a third party after he has milked the money out. Duncan, got close but didn't go to the real issue. When Homer-Williams built Broken-Top, and he was done, he sold it to Bauhofer, who sold it to Brenneke.
In this INNof7th charade, Pape is a Brenneke, of course Pape did put money into INNof7th, but only into the tourist amenitys that are of NO interest to condo owners. They don't use the stinking public pool or hot-tub full of urine. All the tourists use these facilitys. Pape has made a lot of money on 'events & meetings', in his updated INNof7th. All he has done for the last three years is squeeze exhorbint HOA's out of owners.
The sad story as yet to date the BULL has still not told the truth of this fiasco. All we have heard to date from the BULL is the story according to Friedman ( mayor Bend ), who runs the book-keeping firm for all condos HOA collection in Bend.
Consequently the owners don't want to pay for the upkeep necessary. Now a few years ago you had one bedroom condo's there going for 20k because the future was uncertain, including the repairs. - rdc
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Consequently the owners don't want to pay for the upkeep necessary.
[ The owners agreed to the increase on HOA from $50/mo to $1k/mo a couple years ago, because that money was to go to a reserve fund, managed by Mayor Freidman of Bend. The work didn't get done and the HOA owners demanded to see "Freidmans" books ( cascade-bookkeeping ), thats when pape sent out nov 07, $120k Lien notice. ]
Now a few years ago you had one bedroom condo's there going for 20k because the future was uncertain, including the repairs.
[ The reason that the value of the condos dropped from $180k to $20k, was that Pape through Freidman raised the monthly HOA's from $50/mo to $1k/mo, dozens of owners "SOLD" their condo, as they knew for $1k/mo they could buy a house, and pay payments. The drop in price was NOT because of uncertainty, is was PLANNED THEFT. Pape knew if they jacked up the HOA's astronomical, that dozens of owners would dump the condo's for SHIT, and PAPE bought a bunch for penny's on the dollar. ]
Today, those that are fighting PAPE are those that actually believed that the Freidman/Pape $1k/mo was going to a reserve fund to re-roof, and re-side the condos. Most of people who kept their condo and didn't sell had already re-modeled their condo and money in it, that's why they stayed to fight.
The problems with the Inn at the 7th preceeded Pape. If you go back 4-5 years, the maintenance problems were there, the central areas were a mess. At that time, and basically since it was built, the owners voted down any attempts to increase the fees and assessments to properly maintain the place. You could go in and pick up a condo there for 20-25k. Most of them were severely dated and not been remodeled since the place was constructed (can you say green shag carpeting). There were major question on if it would even survive.
Since that time you had the investment in the core areas by Pape. It was only after that investment that you started to see the value go up and owners invested in the internals of some of the units. However, the delayed maintenance was never done, The current estimate is not very different (within 20%) of numbers informed people were passing around back then. Main reason I didn't pick up and of the 25k units.
One of the other issues back then was the rental pool and how it was managed.
My recollection of the increase of the fees that they were primarily for the purposes of maintaining the common areas and for work necessary to prevent continued deterioration, but that a major special assessment would be needed in the future. Do not recall what the dollar value of the monthly HOA fees were discussed at that time but I am pretty sure it was something north of $600. Which by the is not unlike what one would pay in a modern condo hotel. Which has proportunately less public space and facilities to maintain
At the $50 dollar level you mentioned it is no wonder maintenance was never done.
. If you go back 4-5 years, the maintenance problems were there, the central areas were a mess.
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You sound like an apologist. But your missing the point, I can remember back in the 80's I used to stay up there, but I quit using hot-tub, because it smelled of chlorine and urine.
Yes, I agree the place was a SHITHOLE, when Pape bought it, and the first thing he did was raise the HOA's fee's to $1k/mo from $50/mo, and the prices collapsed, and he promised the owners that the $1k/mo would go into a reserve fund to fix up the condos on the outside! But he didn't do it, instead he used the HOA monthly as a cash-flow to fund the investment in the amenitys ( ice-rink ), ... Then in Nov 07, Pape put a $108k assessment on all the units, and the money is used to be a credit for his $20M spent on the ice-rink.
The owners are PISSED. This is the issue.
Pape has failed every promise.
The fact that INNof7MTN is a shithole was true before Pape bought it, this I agree, but in four years Pape has done NOTHING to change that fact.
At this point its my humble opinion, he's try to fixup the place for a sale, as I'm sure he lost his ass, on this as an investment. But fucking the owners, will NOT be tolerated by this group of important 'jewish citizens' of PDX. They'll NOT take this like so many of Bend do every day of the week.
This is a war.
The owners don't care about the 'central areas' this is a tourist attraction to sell time-shares to MORONs.
My recollection of the increase of the fees that they were primarily for the purposes of maintaining the common areas and for work necessary to prevent continued deterioration, but that a major special assessment would be needed in the future. Do not recall what the dollar value of the monthly HOA fees were discussed at that time but I am pretty sure it was something north of $600. - rdc
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When Pape jacked up the HOA from $50/mo to "North of $600/mo", the owners were told that the money was going to be used to fixup the condo's, nobody knows where the money went, because Mayor-Friedman will not OPEN the books. What is known is that the condos were not maintained, nor repaired to date.
The condo owners had been raising a ruckus on this issue during the past year.
I Repeat NOT a fucking condo-owner gives a rat's ass about the 'common /central area's' aka ice-rink & urine-pool. These are amenitys to draw in suckers who read the Source & Bulletin.
The Inn is OLD! I worked on landscaping there when I was a teenager.
I think it's an egregious example of lack of upkeep.
But look at what happened to the golf course at Mt. High, or at Orion Greens....
It seems to be systemic. If golf courses are nothing but a promotional tool, then eventually most of them will get neglected.
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