Tuesday, January 29, 2008

Bit of a discussion over on the bendbubble2 blog about whether the real estate agents are getting angry yet (as in the Five Stages of Grief).

I suspect they are very angry -- AND in denial about it.

I've never got the sense that real estate types are particularly introspective. Hell, we bubble bloggers think we're such a big deal, but almost every real estate person I've talked to has never heard of us.

Nor do they seem to be particularly analytical. Maybe that's what it takes to sell houses. Anyone with second thoughts wouldn't be very successful at selling. Unfortunately, anyone who isn't thoughtful isn't going to be very successful at negotiating the end of the bubble.

Same holds true of the majority of store owners I --very briefly -- talk to. Not a lot of information sharing. Not a lot of thinking or planning I can see. They keep their misery -- which you can see on their faces, by the way -- to themselves. I tend to vent, and then explore all options, and then think it to death. I tend to look for information in every form I can find, and I try things, and then I kick a box of cards across the floor. I share any information I have, and am grateful whenever another store keeper tells me anything of substance (which is rare.)

I think being open and candid and responsive is healthy, and it may be why I've managed to survive 28 years.
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Anonymous said...

Thanks for the confirm Duncan. Your were one of the first people in town talking about anger.

If you 'google' "Bend oregon real estate anger", up pop's duncan.

In November 2007, our own homer wrote extensively about anger, and I sure as hell have been writing for a long time about anger being the next step after the denial of the BendBubble.

Homer wrote in Nov 07, that "PRO Realtors were Angry", hell yes, remember in the winter? It was supposed to come back, and now they're saying that again in 08 spring it will come back, ... They're angry as hell. They blame those circling vultures they call buyers.

So we had a new Realtor come to us and offer herself 'retired' to share the grief and come clean with truth, fine we accepted her, but then quickly she is no longer angry!!

Yesterday they had an hour on "The MAN CHILD", on OPB, perhaps you can catch it Duncan. Sure there are men that play video games ( I don't ), but maybe they do it to relax from tension. Anger is a human emotion, there is NOTHING wrong with a mans desire to play. If an adult loses his child-like view of life, then he's a dead man.

I'm one of those who always say's That the difference between a man & boy is the price of the toys.

I don't think that our Realtor has fell far enough on her Maslowian need scale as of yet to accept the fact of anger. ( Maslow hierarchy of needs )

Perhaps in time, we can have Realtors join our blog's, and tell the truth. I see this as a healthy part of recovery.

The last step of recovery is "ACCEPTANCE", its not like anger is a permanent state.

We need females to be part of the recovery, we need them desperately.

It's sad that the many female realtors in Bend are not yet ready to laugh at themselves and their town even with the promise of anonymity.

January 29, 2008 at 10:13:00 AM PST
Anonymous said...

I think being open and candid and responsive is healthy, and it may be why I've managed to survive 28 years.

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Secrecy, Denial, Mis-information, Mis-representation, is not a survival tactic.

But when large sum's of money are involved the masses will go insane every time.

"Grand Popular Delusions, and Madness of the Crowds" - McKay

Sir Issac Newton, considered to be the greatest thinker in the history of the world, nearly lost all his saving's in the "South Sea Bubble". After his loss he demanded those words be never uttered in his presence until death.

This is in Ben Grahams book about investing. Then interesting thing is Sir Issac made a fortune on his first SSB bet, its the fact that he went in for a second time, and didn't follow his hunch that caused his loss. The reason for his second jump? Because everyone else was doing so!

During times of instant wealth & greed, there is always denial and general insanity, and its always followed by imprisonment and debtors prisons.

Our own Alistar from this sundays Bulletin, called Bend a little town that was destroyed by "GREED".

They say nobody is angry.

January 29, 2008 at 10:25:00 AM PST
Anonymous said...

Duncan This just Hot OFF the WIRE!!!

On your site a week ago I wrote about this story how it was being IGNORED by the BULL & SORE, a story about how stuff is being fucked up in the woods with "NO BOB", which is slang for the bad-bitch that sold out Bend's best places to hike, bike, and ... 'BOB' endlessly promoted Bend's secret places to hike, bike, ski, ... screw in the woods, swim, and as a result there aren't any secret places anymore. Thus the 'anger', there's that anger again.

Guess fucking what its NOW a national STORY, and STILL ignored by the BULL&SORE. BEND is fucked, and the WHOLE WORLD knows it, except Bend, OH yea, Bend is Exceptional.

My guess is what's going on is Linda Frost is up in Washington this week, and got someone up there to do a story. Her groups meets this time of year in Methow Valley, WA.
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A cross-county ski vandal prowls Bend's woods

By Associated Press

BEND, Ore. — Richard Nixon did not live here.

But those who enjoy cross-country skiing on the trails west of Bend could be forgiven for making such a mistake. Amid the snow-topped pines are signs that read "Bob Woodward sucks."

The messages are part of anti-Bob Woodward graffiti campaign that apparently has nothing to do with Watergate and the famous Washington Post reporter and everything to do with an outdoor writer in Central Oregon who was once the mayor of Bend.

Signs, warming shelters and even toilets are scrawled with anti-Woodward messages. A new $28,000 Nordeen warming hut has already been tagged three times, said Linda Frost, president of the Central Oregon Nordic Club, which paid for the shelter.

No one is sure who dislikes Woodward, but the vandal, or vandals, are persistent, skiing far into the woods to get their point across. They even take the time to mark up stacks of maps posted at trail heads.

"It's a puzzler for everyone," said Tom Gibbons, a board member of Tumalo Langlauf Club, another local Nordic skiing group.

Woodward, 68, told The Oregonian newspaper he has his suspicions about who the vandal might be, but isn't certain. The writer traces the vendetta to a column where he voiced some support for a proposed expansion of the Virginia Meissner ski area.

January 29, 2008 at 2:57:00 PM PST
Anonymous said...

Dunc, Now here's one that tells the story a little MORE REAL, but still feel the anger. Its in Bend, and the status-quo did all they could to ignore. Now its a NATIONAL story.
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Skiing vandals scrawling 'Bob Woodward sucks'

Story Updated: Jan 29, 2008 at 2:05 PM PST
By Associated Press

BEND, Ore. (AP) — Richard Nixon did not live here.

But those who enjoy cross-country skiing on the trails west of Bend could be forgiven for making such a mistake. Amid the snow-topped pines are signs that read "Bob Woodward sucks."

The messages are part of anti-Bob Woodward graffiti campaign that apparently has nothing to do with Watergate or the Washington Post and everything to do with an outdoor writer in Central Oregon who was once the mayor of Bend.

Signs, warming shelters and even toilets are scrawled with anti-Woodward messages. A new $28,000 Nordeen warming hut has already been tagged three times, said Linda Frost, president of the Central Oregon Nordic Club, which paid for the shelter.

No one is sure who dislikes Woodward, but the vandal, or vandals, are persistent, skiing far into the woods to get their point across. They even take the time to mark up stacks of maps posted at trail heads.

"It's a puzzler for everyone," said Tom Gibbons, a board member of Tumalo Langlauf Club, another local Nordic skiing group.

Woodward, 68, told The Oregonian newspaper he has his suspicions about who the vandal might be, but isn't certain. The writer traces the vendetta to a column where he voiced some support for a proposed expansion of the Virginia Meissner ski area.

"It's one individual who just frankly doesn't like me," said Woodward, who has been working in Bend for 30 years.

Last year, an anonymous letter was sent to The Source, the weekly Bend paper that Woodward used to contribute a column to, from a person claiming to belong to a group called KWIT: Keep Woodward in Town. The letter warned that the graffiti would continue if Woodward kept getting published.

After that, anti-Woodward messages were painted in the snow at Meissner.

"Another interpretation is that Bend has grown dramatically, and for people who don't like the change, this is their way to voice opposition," said Cassie Giddings of Bend, president of the Oregon Nordic Club. "And they've decided they want to use Bob Woodward as an example of that."

January 29, 2008 at 3:01:00 PM PST
Anonymous said...

A summary for this issue today Duncan.

What's most interesting on this Bob Woodward story is Denial/Anger.

Bend's Journalist's have all come out to defend Bob.

Nobody has admitted in our two-horse media town, that just maybe there might be a grievance. Like Joe-MT says 'Only swine could opposed bob', that is very objective journalism.

The journalists themselves in this town are in DENIAL that they promoted Bend, and they're angry that the masses think that they did.

I find that all fascinating.

In summary when a bubble collapses its always irrational. I think we're starting to see our journalists become irrational.

The have controlled the Bend debate for so long, they cannot see themselves as part of the problem.

Fascinating.

January 29, 2008 at 4:44:00 PM PST

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